Louis XII' soldiers

Roberto · sam. mai 14, 2011 10:18 am

Hello, I need data about the Louis XII's soldiers: i have "Voyage de genes" by Bourdichon but it's too poor to make a reconstrution.
I hope in a museum with clear examples about standard, pennon etc.
thanks in advance

Roberto

bellabre · sam. mai 14, 2011 11:20 am

Hi!
I found those pictures in a little church in Aquitany:
The datation is not sure (very late stage of the XVc) but I think they are contemporany.
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/530/p1070354g.jpg
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/8683/p1070355.jpg
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9518/p1070356k.jpg

Roberto · sam. mai 14, 2011 12:15 pm

i thank you but i need plus information for this
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8 ... nes.langFR
i hope my research is clear.

bellabre · sam. mai 14, 2011 1:11 pm

Maybe Lysenard would help you. He started a reenactment of those kind of soldiers. But what type of information do you need? The Hedgehog is the symbol of Louis XII because of his sentence: "who's rubbing will hurt himself". The flag whith the sun is the "oriflamme" banner of kings of France, lost.

Roberto · sam. mai 14, 2011 8:01 pm

those are some good informations.
The flag whith the sun is the "oriflamme" banner of kings of France, lost. Do you known the colors, measures and form?
IS the banner of kings of France azure with 3 fleur-de-lis?
where i can see all louis xii's banner? where i can known the form, colors, measures and destination?
i understand i'm too vague but i will rebuild a tipical french knight and infantryman for Disfida di Barletta 1503
sorry for my poor english.
thank you

bellabre · sam. mai 14, 2011 8:27 pm

Not the banner with fleur-de-lys. The "oriflamme" is the banner of the Saint-patron of the french kingdom's, Saint-Denis. The tradition wants that the king hold his kingdom from Saint-Denis. So saint-Denis his the suzerain of the king of France, but the king of France his not the vassal of the abbaye, he's the vassal of the Saint. So when he marches to war, first he passes trought Saint-Denis, takes the oliflamme showing that is the god champion's.

The banner represent a gold sun whith flams: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... flamme.png

No problem for your english, I have an horrible gascon accent. And I recomand you to rebuild a gascon infantery man, most uses with piquard as french natives troops.

Roberto · dim. mai 15, 2011 11:16 am

Excuse me but i don't understand. here's a cross and not a sun. the form is another.
http://www.math.msu.edu/~winter/stdenis ... me_JPG.jpg
bye

bellabre · dim. mai 15, 2011 12:34 pm

This is a reproduction of the XIXc, the true banner was lost if I remember well, and I'm sure that the one of the XIXc is not the true representation of the XV-XVIc.

guaraco · dim. mai 15, 2011 7:51 pm

roberto,

I have nearly the same project (a gascon crossbowman of the 1510's), and I've collect some infos about militaries outfits of this period. I'll send them to you in few days.

bellabre · dim. mai 15, 2011 9:09 pm

Guaraco, I invite you to contact Lysenard which have those targets too.

guaraco · dim. mai 15, 2011 10:08 pm

Euh Bellabre, je suis français, mon message était en anglais car destiné à Roberto

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Roberto · lun. mai 16, 2011 12:10 am

bellabre!! i thank you.

i'm italian so i understand french written.
to be precise i need information about the troops of the Duke of Nemours.I do not understand how they were made.
berault stuart was an armagnac's commandant but his troops were in Canosa first 13/2/1503. i don't known.

Is correct for me making french knights in this way?

http://gallica.bnf.fr/proxy?method=R&ar ... ,5011,3373
http://gallica.bnf.fr/proxy?method=R&ar ... ,5011,3373
http://gallica.bnf.fr/proxy?method=R&ar ... ,5011,3373
http://gallica.bnf.fr/proxy?method=R&ar ... ,5011,3373
http://gallica.bnf.fr/proxy?method=R&ar ... ,5011,3373

Roberto · mer. mai 18, 2011 1:04 am

little update: Aubigny's troops were in Calabria.

Look this interessant dipint of 1530 about "battle of pavia 1524". french banner are white latin cross over red background.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheepdog_r ... otostream/

bye

bellabre · mer. mai 25, 2011 4:29 pm

You must forgive me, I found an article about dressing under Louis XII in a card game: http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/pr ... 7_1_446054

I hope it will help you

talhefer · ven. juin 10, 2011 4:15 pm

Hi

I'm "Lyesnard", even if I use another name on this forum
As said Bellabre (I thank him for those beautiful pictures), I'm also working onto a 1512's soldier and civilian dress.
Please, contact me on my mail for further details, because I don't often come on this forum those few days.

romain_leblanc_65@hotmail.com

or on my facebook page (romain leblanc)