Textil cup integral with Avantail ?

[nieczar]

Hello

I'm looking for some sources for strange hybride:
textil (gambeson) cap integral with Aventail ,weared under helmet... for the period 11-13th. cen.

I know this kind of the soloution from one steppen burial (Kairka) from 13-14th cen. ...so ,I thought maybe it's possible soloution for westen knights also

thanx for any help

[Jp_]

(By the way, if your workshop sells aventails for klappvisors, send me a private message please)

[khosrau de samarkand]

The cap you're talking about has a textile aventail? Can you show us?

[Bouchard]

I saw this kind of cap on a german museum internet site. But, it seems to relate to the XVth or XVIth century ! I try to find it...

[Bouchard]

What do you think about that ? But it's not from the XIIIth century !

[nieczar]

Avantail is made in chain-mail ...I'm looking for textil cup with mail avantail

Khosaru ...You can find it on CD I sent You ...in album "some graves" - "Kairka"